Ryan Jordan
Earlier this week, noted economist Carmen Reinhart posited once again that western economies are enduring another period of financial repression. In the simplest sense, financial repression means savers are subjected to additional taxation in the form of negative real interest rates (meaning you are losing money on your bank deposits after accounting for inflation.) The last period of negative real interest rates occurred in the wake of huge public sector deficits after World War II. In Reinhart's opinion, government-mandated negative real interest rates persisted from 1945 to 1980. This was a thirty-five year war on savers.
I found the timing of this article interesting, since so many people in the financial world are touting some sort of economic recovery, especially here in the United States. I have to admit things are going well on Wall Street: broader stock indexes have, in many cases, finally broken above levels not seen since before the collapse of Lehman in 2008. I would point out that in a qualitative sense, the word "recovery" feels out of place in a country where I doubt we can return to the world before 2007. Still, I am a good sport and willing to play along with the idea that the economy is on some sort of a rebound. (At least until the end of the world in December, mind you.)
So what does this "recovery" mean for people looking for places to put their hard earned savings? After all, the appearance of Reinhart's article on financial repression sort of throws a bit of cold water on anyone who equates recovery with the positive real rates of the 1980s and 1990s. Reinhart is implying that the heavy hands of the state and central banks are fiddling with the scales, manipulating the truth about the damage inflation can do to real economic growth, as well as to real investment returns.
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19 March 2012
Keiser Report - Episode 263
Max Keiser and co-host, Stacy Herbert, discuss ripping out client eyeballs and losing millions for a free breakfast; maggots of risk and plastic financial apartheid. In the second half of the show Max talks to filmmakers William Gagan and Geoff Shively about their crowd funded journey to Syria and ‘fake’ activists and, with the introduction of anti-free speech laws in Chicago, the filmmakers discuss the small drone helicopters they have acquired for reporting on the Nato summit.
U.S. May Sanction India Over Level of Iran-Oil Imports
By Indira A.R. Lakshmanan and Pratish Narayanan - Mar 15, 2012 2:43 PM GMT+0100
India has failed to reduce its purchases of Iranian oil, and if it doesn’t do so, President Barack Obama may be forced to impose sanctions on one of Asia’s most important nations, Obama administration officials said yesterday.
A decision to levy penalties under a new U.S. law restricting payments for Iranian oil could come as early as June 28, according to several U.S. officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.
“Given the level of trade, and in particular oil, between Iran and India, targeting an Indian entity that facilitates Iran’s access to the international financial market should be top of mind for the U.S. Treasury,” Avi Jorisch, a former Treasury Department official who is now a Washington-based consultant on deterring illicit finance, said in an interview.
The U.S. law, which targets oil payments made through Iran’s central bank, applies to any country that doesn’t make a “significant” reduction in its Iranian crude oil purchases during the first half of this year. If India fails to cut Iranian imports sufficiently, Obama may be compelled to bar access to the U.S. banking system for any Indian bank processing oil payments through Iran’s central bank, the U.S. officials said.
While India hasn’t asked its refiners to stop purchasing Iranian crude, the government has told processors in the South Asian nation to seek alternate supplies and gradually reduce their dependence on the Persian Gulf state due to increasing pressure from the U.S. in recent weeks, three Indian officials with direct knowledge of the situation said today.
India bought an average of 328,000 barrels a day of Iranian crude in the first six months of last year, making it the No. 3 buyer, behind China and Japan and ahead of South Korea, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. Iran is the No. 2 producer in the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries.
The U.S. government may not be aware that India’s biggest buyer of Iranian oil, state-owned Mangalore Refinery & Petrochemicals Ltd. (MRPL), plans to import less from Iran starting next month, according to two officials with direct knowledge of the matter who spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren’t authorized to speak.
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India has failed to reduce its purchases of Iranian oil, and if it doesn’t do so, President Barack Obama may be forced to impose sanctions on one of Asia’s most important nations, Obama administration officials said yesterday.
A decision to levy penalties under a new U.S. law restricting payments for Iranian oil could come as early as June 28, according to several U.S. officials who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the issue.
“Given the level of trade, and in particular oil, between Iran and India, targeting an Indian entity that facilitates Iran’s access to the international financial market should be top of mind for the U.S. Treasury,” Avi Jorisch, a former Treasury Department official who is now a Washington-based consultant on deterring illicit finance, said in an interview.
The U.S. law, which targets oil payments made through Iran’s central bank, applies to any country that doesn’t make a “significant” reduction in its Iranian crude oil purchases during the first half of this year. If India fails to cut Iranian imports sufficiently, Obama may be compelled to bar access to the U.S. banking system for any Indian bank processing oil payments through Iran’s central bank, the U.S. officials said.
While India hasn’t asked its refiners to stop purchasing Iranian crude, the government has told processors in the South Asian nation to seek alternate supplies and gradually reduce their dependence on the Persian Gulf state due to increasing pressure from the U.S. in recent weeks, three Indian officials with direct knowledge of the situation said today.
No Significant Reduction
India hasn’t significantly cut imports this year because refiners’ annual crude term deals with Iran typically run from April to March, they said. The planned reductions will start only when new annual contracts begin next month, the Indian officials said, declining to be identified because they aren’t authorized to speak to the media.India bought an average of 328,000 barrels a day of Iranian crude in the first six months of last year, making it the No. 3 buyer, behind China and Japan and ahead of South Korea, according to the U.S. Energy Information Administration. Iran is the No. 2 producer in the Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries.
The U.S. government may not be aware that India’s biggest buyer of Iranian oil, state-owned Mangalore Refinery & Petrochemicals Ltd. (MRPL), plans to import less from Iran starting next month, according to two officials with direct knowledge of the matter who spoke on condition of anonymity because they weren’t authorized to speak.
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We See Debt People
| Tuesday, 13 March 2012 00:00 |
| It's ugly out there, the world is flooded with fiat currency and in debt to its eyeballs. Global governments have done an excellent job hiding their insolvency and keeping the people they represent in the dark. Remember, the government is technically 'the people,' so the gold at Fort Knox (if there is any) is our gold and the debt the government has accumulated, is our debt. We find it sad that so many Americans go to the government for help after the government is the very entity that put them in a personal mess. Prior to the government entering our housing market, the max you would see for a home mortgage was 7 years, however, in order to make homes more affordable, the government started backing 30 year loans. The government's definition of affordability is you making a payment for life and not actually having ownership. Every government program designed to help has driven costs up through inflation, direct taxation, regulations, and or course the redistribution of wealth. Recently, Lew Rockwell posted some ugly facts about Americans' personal debt. Please note that it is the Federal Reserve that sets interest rates, this is the key factor in what a debt payment will be, so the lower rates are, the more Americans are encouraged to load up. If the rates aren't low enough for you, state and local governments have special deferred payment plans and government backed loans. The result of all this help is 16.5 trillion in official national debt, over 100 trillion in debt liabilities, and an entire class of debt slaves. Debt Slaves
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SilverDoctors: Iran presses ahead with dollar attack
SilverDoctors: Iran presses ahead with dollar attack: Iran is set to begin selling oil in currencies other than the dollar tomorrow. Combine this info with the fact that there are now 4 NATO ai...
Pento - Soaring Oil, Inflation and Households Soaked in Debt
There has been a great deal of hype in the mainstream media stating the US economy is recovering. Pento, who founded Pento Portfolio Strategies, told King World News the truth is the US economy is not recovering and global readers should expect a surge in inflation. This is what Pento had to say: “Since the US economy is so intertwined with the global economy, I decided to look at claims by the mainstream media that the US economy is strengthening. The conclusion, please don’t believe the hype that the American economy is healing. While it is true that some data is showing improvement, the true fundamentals of the economy continue to erode.”
Michael Pento continues:
“America’s trade deficit hit $52.6 billion in January. That’s the highest level since October of 2008 and is clear evidence that we have fully reverted back to our under production, under saving and overconsumption habits with alacrity.
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Michael Pento continues:
“America’s trade deficit hit $52.6 billion in January. That’s the highest level since October of 2008 and is clear evidence that we have fully reverted back to our under production, under saving and overconsumption habits with alacrity.
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John Williams: Inflation Effect - Tough to Ignore or Contain
John Williams just warned that significant inflation will feed into the global system because of rising oil prices and the Fed’s policy to debase the dollar. Williams, who founded ShadowStats, also warned the US dollar will take a major hit because of global “dollar dumping.” Here is what Williams had to say about the situation: “With oil and gasoline prices pressured by market concerns over Middle Eastern political stability, monthly consumer inflation jumped in February and stabilized in the three-plus percentage range on a year-to-year basis.”
John Williams continues:
“The current level of inflation, however, stands where it is due primarily to the effects of the Federal Reserve’s efforts to debase the dollar, which, in turn, spiked global oil prices into the $100 per barrel range. The effects of the dollar-debasement and oil-price-spiking policies not only had direct inflationary impact on energy-related prices, but also—in the period following QE2—had an accelerating upside impact on inflation throughout the broad economy, as indicated by rising “core” inflation (net of food and energy inflation).
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John Williams continues:
“The current level of inflation, however, stands where it is due primarily to the effects of the Federal Reserve’s efforts to debase the dollar, which, in turn, spiked global oil prices into the $100 per barrel range. The effects of the dollar-debasement and oil-price-spiking policies not only had direct inflationary impact on energy-related prices, but also—in the period following QE2—had an accelerating upside impact on inflation throughout the broad economy, as indicated by rising “core” inflation (net of food and energy inflation).
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Greyerz - Gold Will React to the $120 Trillion of Additional Debt
Today Egon von Greyerz told King World News that global debt has increased 140% in the last ten years. Von Greyerz also said even though the massive creation of debt has yielded virtually no GDP growth, the gold market will soon react to the money printing binge. Egon von Greyerz is founder and managing partner at Matterhorn Asset Management out of Switzerland. Here is what von Greyerz had to say: “We are all focused on the short-term and that’s natural, but let’s step back and look at the longer-term picture because that is really what is important for us today and for the next few years. The bigger picture is so important because very few people understand that the last 100 years are exceptional in history.”
Egon von Greyerz continues:
“The prosperity that we’ve had since the early 1900s, to a great extent is governed by massive money printing. Let’s just take GDP for example. In the first 50 years of the 1900s, for every dollar of debt about five dollars of GDP was generated. So five times the amount of debt created was generated in GDP in the US.
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Egon von Greyerz continues:
“The prosperity that we’ve had since the early 1900s, to a great extent is governed by massive money printing. Let’s just take GDP for example. In the first 50 years of the 1900s, for every dollar of debt about five dollars of GDP was generated. So five times the amount of debt created was generated in GDP in the US.
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16 March 2012
Greyerz - Gold Will React to the $120 Trillion of Additional Debt
Today Egon von Greyerz told King World News that global debt has increased 140% in the last ten years. Von Greyerz also said even though the massive creation of debt has yielded virtually no GDP growth, the gold market will soon react to the money printing binge. Egon von Greyerz is founder and managing partner at Matterhorn Asset Management out of Switzerland. Here is what von Greyerz had to say: “We are all focused on the short-term and that’s natural, but let’s step back and look at the longer-term picture because that is really what is important for us today and for the next few years. The bigger picture is so important because very few people understand that the last 100 years are exceptional in history.”
Egon von Greyerz continues:
“The prosperity that we’ve had since the early 1900s, to a great extent is governed by massive money printing. Let’s just take GDP for example. In the first 50 years of the 1900s, for every dollar of debt about five dollars of GDP was generated. So five times the amount of debt created was generated in GDP in the US.
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Egon von Greyerz continues:
“The prosperity that we’ve had since the early 1900s, to a great extent is governed by massive money printing. Let’s just take GDP for example. In the first 50 years of the 1900s, for every dollar of debt about five dollars of GDP was generated. So five times the amount of debt created was generated in GDP in the US.
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Fitzwilson: Hyper-Devaluation, the Electronic Age & Gold
Today 40 year market veteran, Robert Fitzwilson, discussed the electronic age and how it will impact inflation as well as the eventual hyperinflation. He also believes that we have lived through an age when we talked in terms of millions and then billions, then trillions and that quadrillions cannot be far behind. Robert is the founder of The Portola Group, one of the premier boutique firms in the Unites States, and today King World News was given exclusive distribution rights to the following piece:
“Currency & Long-Term Wealth Preservation”
By Robert Fitzwilson, President & Founder of The Portola Group
March 16 (King World News) - For most of us alive today, the currency in our wallets has always functioned as a medium of exchange. It will do so going forward. Where one could find fault with it would be as a form of wealth preservation.
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“Currency & Long-Term Wealth Preservation”
By Robert Fitzwilson, President & Founder of The Portola Group
March 16 (King World News) - For most of us alive today, the currency in our wallets has always functioned as a medium of exchange. It will do so going forward. Where one could find fault with it would be as a form of wealth preservation.
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Sinclair - Is the Fed Selling Europe’s Gold During Interventions
Today legendary trader and investor Jim Sinclair told King World News that a number of European countries are beginning to ask themselves where the gold is coming from which is being used for interventions in the gold market. Sinclair also said some European countries are beginning to think it’s their gold, stored by the US Fed, which is being used for these interventions. But first, here is what Sinclair had to say about the recent plunge in gold: “Eric, this has been going on since $248 in gold. Any idea or concern that this kind of intervention is going to cause the gold bull market to cease or shorten or even contain where it will potentially go is simply wrong.”
Jim Sinclair continues:
“Every time you intervene in any market or any time you intervene economically, it’s the same as using a controlled drug. The first application gives you the best high you’ll ever have. After that you have to do more and more just to near duplicate what you expected.
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Jim Sinclair continues:
“Every time you intervene in any market or any time you intervene economically, it’s the same as using a controlled drug. The first application gives you the best high you’ll ever have. After that you have to do more and more just to near duplicate what you expected.
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SilverDoctors: Open Thread : JP Morgue's Whistle Blower and Monda...
SilverDoctors: Open Thread : JP Morgue's Whistle Blower and Monda...: Monday is the Greek CDS auction when the CDS payouts will be determined and required. Yesterday, JP Morgue whistle blower disclosed JPM's $...
15 March 2012
SilverDoctors: Bullion Banks are in Total Control Over Gold & Sil...
SilverDoctors: Bullion Banks are in Total Control Over Gold & Sil...: Marshall Swing: The Daily Show Well, this past COT period was not particularly interesting, at least from a price change point of vie...
Pierre Lassonde - Why Gold Could Spike 20% in a Day or Two
With so much worry surrounding the gold and silver markets, today King World News interviewed legendary Pierre Lassonde, to get his thoughts on what to look for going forward. Pierre is arguably the greatest company builder in the history of the mining sector. He used to run Newmont Mining, was Chairman of the World Gold Council and is current Chairman of Franco Nevada. When asked about the plunge in gold, Lassonde responded, “There’s no cliff here. There’s no need to panic whatsoever. First of all, let’s take a look at where we came from. We came from $250 ten years ago, to $1,600 to $1,700 today. That is a remarkable feat for the gold price.”
Pierre Lassonde continues:
“The mania phase is always the last phase of a bull market. I believe we are going to see that. I (also) believe it will mostly be of Chinese origin. Today over 50% of all of the gold sold on a yearly basis is sold in two countries, China and India. The is where it (the mania) will start.
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Pierre Lassonde continues:
“The mania phase is always the last phase of a bull market. I believe we are going to see that. I (also) believe it will mostly be of Chinese origin. Today over 50% of all of the gold sold on a yearly basis is sold in two countries, China and India. The is where it (the mania) will start.
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Turk - Gold & Silver Turmoil, What to Expect Going Forward
With many investors worried about the plunge in gold and silver, today King World News interviewed James Turk out of Spain. He told King World News this smash in the metals is very similar to what took place at the end of February. Turk firmly believes this is more proof of intervention and manipulation in these critical markets. Here is what Turk had to say about the turmoil in both metals: “What happened, after the FOMC meeting, in the last two days is a replay of what happened at the end of February. Gold got up to $1,800 (at the end of February), (then it was) smashed. (Two days ago) gold got up to $1,700 and it was smashed (again).”
James Turk continues:
“Now the interesting thing is both times one would expect the gold price would have risen. What happened at the end of February is the ECB had just announced their long-term refinancing operation (LTRO) of 500 billion euros, doubling the 500 billion euros they had done only a few weeks before....
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James Turk continues:
“Now the interesting thing is both times one would expect the gold price would have risen. What happened at the end of February is the ECB had just announced their long-term refinancing operation (LTRO) of 500 billion euros, doubling the 500 billion euros they had done only a few weeks before....
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JP Morgan Whistleblower States JP Morgan Manipulates Silver & Gold Futures
Thanks to Silverdoctors.com for this information:
From: Z A N
Organization(s):
JPMorgan Chase
Comment No: 57019
Date: 3/14/2012
Comment Text:
Dear CFTC Staff,
Hello, I am a current JPMorgan Chase employee. This is an open letter to all commissioners and regulators. I am emailing you today b/c I know of insider information that will be damning at best for JPMorgan Chase. I have decided to play the role of whistleblower b/c I no longer have faith and belief that what we are doing for society is bringing value to people. I am now under the opinion that we are actually putting hard working Americans unaware of what lays ahead at extreme market risk. This risk is unnecessary and will lead to wide-scale market collapse if not handled properly. With the release of Mr. Smith’s open letter to Goldman, I too would like to set the record straight for JPM as well. I have seen the disruptive behavior of superiors and no longer can say that I look up to employees at the ED/MD level here at JPM. Their smug exuberance and arrogance permeates the air just as pungently as rotting vegetables. They all know too well of the backdoor crony connections they share intimately with elected officials and with other institutions. It is apparent in everything they do, from the meager attempts to manipulate LIBOR, therefore controlling how almost all derivatives are priced to the inherit and fraudulent commodities manipulation. They too may have one day stood for something in the past in the client-employee relationship. Does anyone in today’s market really care about the protection of their client? From the ruthless and scandalous treatment of MF Global client asset funds to the excessive bonuses paid by companies with burgeoning liabilities. Yes, we at JPMorgan that are in the know are fearful of a cascading credit event being triggered in Greece as they have hidden derivatives in excess of $1 Trillion USD. We at JPMorgan own enough of these through counterparty risk and outright prop trading that our entire IB EDG space could be annihilated within a few short days. The last ten years has been market by inflexion point after inflexion point with the most notable coming in 2008 after the acquisition of Bear.
On a side note, I do not work directly with accounts that would have been directly impacted by the MF Global fiasco but I have heard through other colleagues that we have involvement in the hiding of client assets from MF Global. This is another fraudulent effort on our part and constitutes theft. I urge you to forward that part of the investigation on to the respective authorities.
There is something else that you may find strange. During month-end December, we were all told by our managers that this was going to be a dismal year in terms of earnings and that we should not expect any bonuses or pay raises. Then come mid-late January it is made known that everyone received a pay raise and/or bonus, which is interesting b/c just a few weeks ago we were told that this was not likely and expected to be paid nothing in addition to base salary. January is right around the time we started increasing our short positions quite significantly again and this most recent crash in gold and silver during Bernanke's speech on February 29th is of notable importance, as we along with 4 other major institutions, orchestrated the violent $100 drop in Gold and subsequent drops in silver.
As regulators of the free people of this country, I ask you to uphold the most important job in the world right now. That job is judge and overseer of all that is justice in the most sensitive of commodity markets. There are many middle-income people that invest in the physical assets of silver, gold, as well as mining stocks that are being financially impacted in a negative way b/c of our unscrupulous shorts in the precious metals commodity sector. If you read the COT with intent you will find that commercials (even though we have no business being in the commercial sector, which should be reserved for companies that truly produce the metal) are net short by a long shot in not only silver, but gold.
It is rather surprising that what should be well known liabilities on our balance sheet have not erupted into wider scale scrutinization. I call all honest and courageous JPMorgan employees to step up and fight the cronyism and wide-scale manipulation by reporting the truth. We are only helping reality come to light therefore allowing a real valuation of our banking industry which will give investors a chance to properly adjust without being totally wiped out. I will be contacting a lawyer shortly about this matter, as I believe no other whistleblower at JPMorgan has come forward yet. Our deepest secrets lie within the hands of honest employees and can be revealed through honest regulators that are willing to take a look inside one of America's best kept secrets. Please do not allow this to turn into another Enron.
Kind Regards,
-The 1st Whistleblower of Many
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From: Z A N
Organization(s):
JPMorgan Chase
Comment No: 57019
Date: 3/14/2012
Comment Text:
Dear CFTC Staff,
Hello, I am a current JPMorgan Chase employee. This is an open letter to all commissioners and regulators. I am emailing you today b/c I know of insider information that will be damning at best for JPMorgan Chase. I have decided to play the role of whistleblower b/c I no longer have faith and belief that what we are doing for society is bringing value to people. I am now under the opinion that we are actually putting hard working Americans unaware of what lays ahead at extreme market risk. This risk is unnecessary and will lead to wide-scale market collapse if not handled properly. With the release of Mr. Smith’s open letter to Goldman, I too would like to set the record straight for JPM as well. I have seen the disruptive behavior of superiors and no longer can say that I look up to employees at the ED/MD level here at JPM. Their smug exuberance and arrogance permeates the air just as pungently as rotting vegetables. They all know too well of the backdoor crony connections they share intimately with elected officials and with other institutions. It is apparent in everything they do, from the meager attempts to manipulate LIBOR, therefore controlling how almost all derivatives are priced to the inherit and fraudulent commodities manipulation. They too may have one day stood for something in the past in the client-employee relationship. Does anyone in today’s market really care about the protection of their client? From the ruthless and scandalous treatment of MF Global client asset funds to the excessive bonuses paid by companies with burgeoning liabilities. Yes, we at JPMorgan that are in the know are fearful of a cascading credit event being triggered in Greece as they have hidden derivatives in excess of $1 Trillion USD. We at JPMorgan own enough of these through counterparty risk and outright prop trading that our entire IB EDG space could be annihilated within a few short days. The last ten years has been market by inflexion point after inflexion point with the most notable coming in 2008 after the acquisition of Bear.
I wish to remain anonymous as of now as fear of termination mounts from what I am about to reveal. Robert Gottlieb is not my real name; however he is a trader that is involved in a lawsuit for manipulative trading while working with JPMorgan Chase. He was acquired during our Bear Stearns acquisition and is known to be the notorious person shorting in the silver future market from his trading space, along with Blythe Masters, his IB Global boss. However, with that said, we are manipulating the silver futures market and playing a smaller (but still massively manipulative) role in manipulating the gold futures market. We have a little over a 25% (give or take a percentage) position in the short market for silver futures and by your definition this denotes a larger position than for speculative purposes or for hedging and is beyond the line of manipulation.
On a side note, I do not work directly with accounts that would have been directly impacted by the MF Global fiasco but I have heard through other colleagues that we have involvement in the hiding of client assets from MF Global. This is another fraudulent effort on our part and constitutes theft. I urge you to forward that part of the investigation on to the respective authorities.
There is something else that you may find strange. During month-end December, we were all told by our managers that this was going to be a dismal year in terms of earnings and that we should not expect any bonuses or pay raises. Then come mid-late January it is made known that everyone received a pay raise and/or bonus, which is interesting b/c just a few weeks ago we were told that this was not likely and expected to be paid nothing in addition to base salary. January is right around the time we started increasing our short positions quite significantly again and this most recent crash in gold and silver during Bernanke's speech on February 29th is of notable importance, as we along with 4 other major institutions, orchestrated the violent $100 drop in Gold and subsequent drops in silver.
As regulators of the free people of this country, I ask you to uphold the most important job in the world right now. That job is judge and overseer of all that is justice in the most sensitive of commodity markets. There are many middle-income people that invest in the physical assets of silver, gold, as well as mining stocks that are being financially impacted in a negative way b/c of our unscrupulous shorts in the precious metals commodity sector. If you read the COT with intent you will find that commercials (even though we have no business being in the commercial sector, which should be reserved for companies that truly produce the metal) are net short by a long shot in not only silver, but gold.
It is rather surprising that what should be well known liabilities on our balance sheet have not erupted into wider scale scrutinization. I call all honest and courageous JPMorgan employees to step up and fight the cronyism and wide-scale manipulation by reporting the truth. We are only helping reality come to light therefore allowing a real valuation of our banking industry which will give investors a chance to properly adjust without being totally wiped out. I will be contacting a lawyer shortly about this matter, as I believe no other whistleblower at JPMorgan has come forward yet. Our deepest secrets lie within the hands of honest employees and can be revealed through honest regulators that are willing to take a look inside one of America's best kept secrets. Please do not allow this to turn into another Enron.
Kind Regards,
-The 1st Whistleblower of Many
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